The Two Memorials of John in Ephesus

Were there two famous Johns at Ephesus?

According to Dionysius of Alexandria, writing in the third century, there were two memorials of John in Ephesus, and he suggested that there might have been two famous Johns who had lived in the province of Asia (whom he identifies as the authors of the Gospel of John and the book of Revelation respectively) (apud Eusebius, Hist. eccl. 7.25.16).

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Papias: One John or Two? (Part 5)

Further Evidence that Papias spoke of two famous Johns

Some scholars argue that Papias spoke of the same John twice, thus removing any possibility that a second John, the Elder, was associated with the Johannine writings. As we have seen, most scholars reject this proposal.

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Papias: One John or Two? (Part 4)

Examining the argument that Papias was identifying the Elder John with the Apostle

Part 4: The Argument for a Single John

Some scholars argue that Papias spoke of the same John twice, thus removing any possibility that a second John, the Elder, was associated with the Johannine writings.

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Papias: One John or Two? (Part 3)

Even many prominent scholars of the traditional view reject the view that Papias spoke of one John

Part 3: Concessions from Scholars Holding the Traditional View

In this post, we will see that Papias’s differentiation of the two Johns has been accepted even among those who hold the traditional view (that the Apostle John, the son of Zebedee, wrote all of the Johannine works), despite the fact that this creates an otherwise unknown John who was famous at the time of Papias. Papias’s words are:

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Papias: One John or Two? (Part 2): The Majority View

Scholarly consensus supports two separate John in Papias

We have been considering Papias’s reference to John the Elder. For the most part, scholarship holds that Papias spoke of two separate Johns, and it is generally admitted that had Papias intended to speak of the same John twice, then he expressed himself very unnaturally. Indeed, some exclude even this possibility.

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Papias: One John or Two? (Part 1)

Did Papias of Hierapolis speak of one John (the Apostle/Elder) or of two separate famous Johns (John the Apostle and John the Elder)?

In the preface to his lost work, Exposition of the Dominical Oracles, Papias of Hierapolis (early second century) lists a number of disciples of the Lord, among whom he names the Apostle John and John the Elder.

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